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08-07-2005 05:51 PM

Language/Placement Testing
 
Hey all, just wondering if anyone knows if we have to take a placement test for a language we would like to take, even if we aren't taking it this semester. Is there a placement test for Hebrew or Chinese?

On a separate note, does getting into Chem 6A vs. Chem 6 do anything special for one trying to get into med school--to they really look at an advanced class vs. a regular class from freshman year???

Any info would be helpful!!

Kevin P. Egan 08-07-2005 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Marla B. Rosenfeld
Hey all, just wondering if anyone knows if we have to take a placement test for a language we would like to take, even if we aren't taking it this semester. Is there a placement test for Hebrew or Chinese?

On a separate note, does getting into Chem 6A vs. Chem 6 do anything special for one trying to get into med school--to they really look at an advanced class vs. a regular class from freshman year???

Any info would be helpful!!

I dunno, but if you like a teacher who really likes chem, take 6a. You'll get Alan Rosan, and he has an unhealthy obcession w/ chem. In orgo, he'll read from a german guys diary, then ask if any of us know german, only to show the thought process of the guy who figured out the structure of benzene.

08-07-2005 09:44 PM

too obvious?
 
I mean, this is gonna sound stupid, but, if we're taking a completely new language, arabic in my case, we don't have to go through any placement, right? And do we have to take a test for the/a language(s) we've been taking in high school just to do a test?

thanks

cheers

08-08-2005 01:22 AM

Here's what I'm wondering...

I took German in high school my freshman and sophomore year- but quit after that because my school's german instructors were absolutely awful and the class was ruining my GPA.

Even in middle school I had bad german teachers so obviously I most likely haven't learned what normal high school german students should have learned. Thus I'll tell you right now that taking a placement test will be a laughable task for this german student as my score will most undoubtedly be unspeakably low.

Can I just skip that painful exam which will only show how little I retained and simply enter the german I course???

This is provided I can change my schedule. my parents made me sign up for Basic German III I think and tell you the truth- I'm extremely scared!

08-08-2005 02:13 AM

You can definately change your schedule. And I'd say, take the test anyway. It's pretty short. You might be pleasantly surprised, but at least you'll have something to tell your parents when they ask why you took german I.

and you'll be in the right class, too. that's always a bonus.

08-08-2005 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Zachary C. Kanfer
You can definately change your schedule. And I'd say, take the test anyway. It's pretty short. You might be pleasantly surprised, but at least you'll have something to tell your parents when they ask why you took german I.

and you'll be in the right class, too. that's always a bonus.

Wow, I never even considered the consequences of what my <i>Parents</i> would say upon noticing the German I thing. Hrm... Well I still maintain that they would rather me be enrolled in a class where I can be somewhat challenged and perform well then a class where I'm overly challenged and perform poorly. (Trust me, I do NOT need a high school german repeat.) Thanks for the advice Zachary.

08-08-2005 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Marla B. Rosenfeld
Hey all, just wondering if anyone knows if we have to take a placement test for a language we would like to take, even if we aren't taking it this semester. Is there a placement test for Hebrew or Chinese?

On a separate note, does getting into Chem 6A vs. Chem 6 do anything special for one trying to get into med school--to they really look at an advanced class vs. a regular class from freshman year???

Any info would be helpful!!


Marla,

Yes, even if you arent taking it this semester, you should take the placement exam if you think you might be taking the language later. As for the Chem 6 vs 6a, for medical school it really shouldnt matter. The difference comes in the fact that chem 6a is a much smaller class, and they dont review as much of the basic material.

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Originally Posted by Kevin P. Egan
I dunno, but if you like a teacher who really likes chem, take 6a. You'll get Alan Rosan, and he has an unhealthy obcession w/ chem. In orgo, he'll read from a german guys diary, then ask if any of us know german, only to show the thought process of the guy who figured out the structure of benzene.


Kevin, the registrar's website says Dr. Pearsall is teaching it. Has that been changed?

08-08-2005 03:20 PM

how long are the tests?

08-08-2005 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marla B. Rosenfeld
Hey all, just wondering if anyone knows if we have to take a placement test for a language we would like to take, even if we aren't taking it this semester. Is there a placement test for Hebrew or Chinese?

On a separate note, does getting into Chem 6A vs. Chem 6 do anything special for one trying to get into med school--to they really look at an advanced class vs. a regular class from freshman year???

Any info would be helpful!!


Oh, forgot to address the Hebrew and Chinese thing. There is no test for Hebrew, but Akiva Roth would be able to do an assesment on an individual basis. There is one for Chinese.

08-08-2005 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith P. Kovatch
how long are the tests?


Not too long. It varies by test, but I don't believe any are longer than half an hour.

08-08-2005 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Wnorowski
Is the language placement test, the ONLY placements test we have to take...


There are language placement tests, a math placement test, and a chemistry placement test.

08-08-2005 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary A. Hochman
There are language placement tests, a math placement test, and a chemistry placement test.


Do we have to take the math and chem placement tests even if we aren't going to be taking those two subjects this year? :eek:

08-08-2005 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelley A. Blessing
Do we have to take the math and chem placement tests even if we aren't going to be taking those two subjects this year? :eek:


"The Mathematics placement exam is required of all students who plan to take Math 1, 7, 8 or 16. Chemistry placement is required for those students entering level 6 or 6A"

Basically, if you ever think you are going to take it, take the exam.

08-08-2005 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Benjamin R. Shedlock
I mean, this is gonna sound stupid, but, if we're taking a completely new language, arabic in my case, we don't have to go through any placement, right? And do we have to take a test for the/a language(s) we've been taking in high school just to do a test?

thanks

cheers


Yeah, no placement if it's completely new, you just register for the intro course. (I'm in it!) And no, you don't have to take an exam for a language that you won't be taking in college, even if you took it in highschool. The placement exam is just to see what section (intro or advanced) you get in to. :)

p.s. I'm not really an authority or anything, but I just felt like replying to your message since no one had AND because I saw you were taking Arabic and I was excited because I'm taking it too, and I don't know a whole lot of people who are!

08-08-2005 11:00 PM

Because taking Arabic is the cool thing to do, right Ben?
I'm excited for it but very very scared. Can we start a support group?
I'd appreciate it haha.

With love, hope, and anticipation,
Meghan E. Anderson
Drew '09

08-09-2005 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Saman Asheer
Yeah, no placement if it's completely new, you just register for the intro course. (I'm in it!) And no, you don't have to take an exam for a language that you won't be taking in college, even if you took it in highschool. The placement exam is just to see what section (intro or advanced) you get in to. :)

p.s. I'm not really an authority or anything, but I just felt like replying to your message since no one had AND because I saw you were taking Arabic and I was excited because I'm taking it too, and I don't know a whole lot of people who are!

Alright!! More arabic people!! I've been looking for all of you!! And thanks for responding to my message. Great, can't wait, it should be hellagood!
(I've always wanted to say that!)
Cheers,
Benjamin

08-09-2005 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meghan E. Anderson
Because taking Arabic is the cool thing to do, right Ben?
I'm excited for it but very very scared. Can we start a support group?
I'd appreciate it haha.

With love, hope, and anticipation,
Meghan E. Anderson
Drew '09

Yes, Meghan, It is! Definitely start a support group- I'm in. Maybe we could go commisserate at TOE-- the only café I've ever seen named after one of the most disgusting parts of the body!!! Go us!

08-09-2005 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Wnorowski
So if Statistics is the only Math I'll ever take, then I do not have to take a placement test? What if I take later on Biology of the Mind--is a Bio placement required.


If you are only taking stats then you shouldnt need a placement test. you won't need to take a placement exam for bio of the mind either.

Akiva Roth 08-09-2005 05:21 PM

Benjamin- You do not have to take a placement for a new language unless you have some background in the language and you think you might be too advanced for beginners. Regarding a language you hae taken in HS, I would recommend taking the placement exam in that language during orientation in case, at some point, you decide you want to continue in that language.

Marla: Regarding Hebrew placement, if you have some background in the language, you can arrange to meet with me to assess your knowledge level. In some cases, a student who has been in day school through grade 8 or so, retain enough knowledge of Hebrew to pass into second semester Hebrew.

It is great to see people interested in the lesser taught languages such as Hebrew and Arabic (and the numbers for the fall are near records in both languages).

Shalom/Sala'am,

Akiva D. Roth
Instructor of Hebrew and Jewish Studies

08-09-2005 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary A. Hochman
"The Mathematics placement exam is required of all students who plan to take Math 1, 7, 8 or 16. Chemistry placement is required for those students entering level 6 or 6A"

Basically, if you ever think you are going to take it, take the exam.


Gary, thanks for such a prompt response. You're awesome!

08-10-2005 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Benjamin R. Shedlock
Yes, Meghan, It is! Definitely start a support group- I'm in. Maybe we could go commisserate at TOE-- the only café I've ever seen named after one of the most disgusting parts of the body!!! Go us!


Lol, we'll need a support group. I'm gonna be a junior next year, and I haven't taken a language since my junior year in highschool, and now Arabic, we'll see how much fun that is. I'm just excited that there are lots of people in it, because I was always worried that it was one of the classes under threat of being cancelled for "lack of interest." Also, even though TOE has a funny name its awesome and has yummy food :-D

08-10-2005 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Wnorowski
How is the Latin program at Drew? Anyone ever taken the Latin placement test?


I had two and a half years of Latin in HS. However most of it was through home tutoring as I was sick throughout high school. I'm debating whether or not to take the Latin placement test.

08-10-2005 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lauren L. Franko
I had two and a half years of Latin in HS. However most of it was through home tutoring as I was sick throughout high school. I'm debating whether or not to take the Latin placement test.


If you have any experience, you should just take the placement exam. They are pretty quick and the worst thing that can happen is that you get placed at the intro level.

08-10-2005 10:54 PM

No, the worst thing that can happen is you get placed higher. I want the intro class.

08-10-2005 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lauren L. Franko
No, the worst thing that can happen is you get placed higher. I want the intro class.


Here's the thing with the language at Drew. The first 2 weeks are sort of like a trial period. The teachers are especially looking for people who aren't in the right level. So even if you place higher than the intro level, if you end up struggling, then can drop down.

08-10-2005 11:24 PM

Ok, first question, sorry if it's already been asked: can you test out of a language? And also, I am pretty fluent in Spanish, but I would really like to learn alot more, and would love to take classes later on.. should I take the spanish placement test for that???

08-10-2005 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Meggaly Y. Portillo
Ok, first question, sorry if it's already been asked: can you test out of a language? And also, I am pretty fluent in Spanish, but I would really like to learn alot more, and would love to take classes later on.. should I take the spanish placement test for that???


Yes, you can test out of a language, and yes you should take the spanish placement exam.

08-11-2005 01:02 AM

hey arabic people!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Saman Asheer
Lol, we'll need a support group. I'm gonna be a junior next year, and I haven't taken a language since my junior year in highschool, and now Arabic, we'll see how much fun that is. I'm just excited that there are lots of people in it, because I was always worried that it was one of the classes under threat of being cancelled for "lack of interest." Also, even though TOE has a funny name its awesome and has yummy food :-D


I'll be in the Arabic class too! I'm pretty excited, since I've been meaning to take Arabic since my freshman year (when it DID get cancelled). but I was reassured that we have a great new professor coming to teach us, and the class is going to be huge for a Drew Arabic class! seems like a great group too. anyway, it better be good since I seem to remember promising myself not to take any more evening classes... and now they're all I'm taking...
we should definitely chill at TOE to work through the crazy homework we'll probably have - and TOE is conveniently open on Thursday nights, right? :-)

08-11-2005 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Danna L. Gutman
I'll be in the Arabic class too! I'm pretty excited, since I've been meaning to take Arabic since my freshman year (when it DID get cancelled). but I was reassured that we have a great new professor coming to teach us, and the class is going to be huge for a Drew Arabic class! seems like a great group too. anyway, it better be good since I seem to remember promising myself not to take any more evening classes... and now they're all I'm taking...
we should definitely chill at TOE to work through the crazy homework we'll probably have - and TOE is conveniently open on Thursday nights, right? :-)


lol, I've also been waiting since freshman year (I'm gonna b a junior this fall), but the class kept conflicting with other classes in my schedule. I'm kind of glad its in the evenings so that I can finally take it. Also, its not one of those really late evening classes (7-9:30 ones) I hate those, they made me really sleepy. and YES TOE is open on thursdays! YAY!

08-11-2005 02:15 PM

Hey, Saman and Danna: Ready to get schooled by some freshmen? ;-)

No, I'm glad to see that the people in this class are as excited as I am (and as apprehensive).
TOE's gonna be doing some good business, that is, as long as we don't get distracted by the ungame, whatever that is, everyone's been all cryptic....
Whatev- looking forward to it!
Cheers,
Benjamin

08-11-2005 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lauren L. Franko
No, the worst thing that can happen is you get placed higher. I want the intro class.


Yeha definitely. If you feel uncomfortable in the level you test into, definitely move down. I tested into fourth level French and it was so overwhelming. Now I can't go back, nor do I think I'm capable of taking the next level of classes. lol@language requirements. :(

08-11-2005 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Benjamin R. Shedlock
Hey, Saman and Danna: Ready to get schooled by some freshmen? ;-)

No, I'm glad to see that the people in this class are as excited as I am (and as apprehensive).
TOE's gonna be doing some good business, that is, as long as we don't get distracted by the ungame, whatever that is, everyone's been all cryptic....
Whatev- looking forward to it!
Cheers,
Benjamin


I also noticed on your facebook (don't worry I'm not a stalker, I just really have nothin else to do this summer). Anyway, I noticed you're takin Intro to Islam, and I wanted to tell that it's an AWESOME course. I looovvved it. I learned soo much, and I'm a practicing Muslim! Prof. Taylor is great. Anyway, I just felt the need to rave about that class :-P...umm...also...whats the ungame?


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