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Old 04-24-2006, 12:34 PM
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Is it just me, or is the computer initiative a complete rip-off? I feel like for the price that we pay for these thinkpads we could be getting a much better system anywhere else. Plus the fact that we dont even own the software on it even with this high price tag, just really makes me feel like im getting taken advantage of. I want a refund.

anyone agree? or am i overlooking somthing?
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Old 04-24-2006, 01:34 PM
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Is it just me, or is the computer initiative a complete rip-off? I feel like for the price that we pay for these thinkpads we could be getting a much better system anywhere else. Plus the fact that we dont even own the software on it even with this high price tag, just really makes me feel like im getting taken advantage of. I want a refund.

anyone agree? or am i overlooking somthing?

Having been on the Computer Committee last year (the one that dealt with the changes to the Computer Initiative) I can assure you that the the price you pay for the laptop is at a substantial discount. Also, being on the OC for 3 years, Ive seen a lot of these comments and what people always seem to not consider is the 4 year accidental damage protection. While I can't remember specifically, I believe the cost of cost of just that protection to be somewhere around $600 extra if you were to try to buy the laptop by yourself.
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Old 04-24-2006, 04:52 PM
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Gary is right in that we get the laptops at a very high discount and if you were to spec the same machine on Lenovo's web site you might be quite surprised.

The software is also yours to keep after graduation. The Microsoft Campus Agreement stipulates that if you do not graduate from the university you must remove the Microsoft Office suite from your computer. Microsoft Windwos XP Professional is yours to keep and you can get media from Microsoft by reading them the product key located on the bottom of your laptop. There may be a nominal ($5) fee for the DVDs.

The computer cost also covers the 4-year accidental protection warranty (ask any senior if this is a valuable component), an in-house repair shop with certified hardware and software support specialists, a help desk available until 11 p.m. 5 nights per week, and a loaner program should your computer need repair.

If you are experiencing a problem with your laptop, may I suggest you bring it to the CNS Help Desk, located in the basement of Brothers College, so that we can take a look? Thank you!
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Old 04-24-2006, 05:23 PM
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Is it just me, or is the computer initiative a complete rip-off? I feel like for the price that we pay for these thinkpads we could be getting a much better system anywhere else. Plus the fact that we dont even own the software on it even with this high price tag, just really makes me feel like im getting taken advantage of. I want a refund.

anyone agree? or am i overlooking somthing?

I'd be interested in what you're considering a "much better system" and what price you think you can get it. You can feel however you want, but we have a technology program to deliver. If we aren't getting a good value for the students and the university, I'd like to know about it.
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Old 04-24-2006, 05:36 PM
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Having been on the Computer Committee last year (the one that dealt with the changes to the Computer Initiative) I can assure you that the the price you pay for the laptop is at a substantial discount. Also, being on the OC for 3 years, Ive seen a lot of these comments and what people always seem to not consider is the 4 year accidental damage protection. While I can't remember specifically, I believe the cost of cost of just that protection to be somewhere around $600 extra if you were to try to buy the laptop by yourself.
I can relate a story of having a parent approach our booth at Spring Saturday last year who did corporate IT purchases for his company and worked with IBM. He claimed he could probably get a better price on the T43 model with IBM.. that was, until we pointed out the 4 year IBM accidental damage protection. He ended up ordering the T43 through us.

Besides the warranty program, the other thing people don't factor in is business-class vs. consumer-class notebooks. If you want to even make an attempt at an apples to apples comparison with Dell, for instance, you need to look at the Latitude line rather than the Inspiron line. There's a huge difference in terms of build quality and service offerings between the consumer and business class lines.

Finally, I think it speaks to the value of the machines that a large number of the technology staff have purchased ThinkPads from Drew over the past few years for their own personal use. If we thought it was a rip off, we wouldn't be buying them for ourselves.
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Old 04-24-2006, 08:12 PM
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Ok, well, the laptop does seem to be pretty discounted from what I saw at Lenovo's website.

When I went down to the CNS helpdesk at the beggining of the year to ask about the software, they didn't exactly give me that response: so thank you for clearing that up for me.

I also did not realize that the 4 year warranty program was that expensive.

I guess I've been served, then.

I was just bitter because I didnt get a DVD burner.


But just so that I may rest easy knowing that future generations will not suffer the fate that I thought I did, could someone please explain the differences in this year's CI with last year's? With an entire year gone by I kind of expected some fairly radical changes but the systems still seem pretty similar.

I guess my main question is, is the intel Core Due t2300 processor considerably better than the Pentium M?
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Old 04-24-2006, 08:21 PM
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Ok, well, the laptop does seem to be pretty discounted from what I saw at Lenovo's website.

When I went down to the CNS helpdesk at the beggining of the year to ask about the software, they didn't exactly give me that response: so thank you for clearing that up for me.

I also did not realize that the 4 year warranty program was that expensive.

I guess I've been served, then.

I was just bitter because I didnt get a DVD burner.


But just so that I may rest easy knowing that future generations will not suffer the fate that I thought I did, could someone please explain the differences in this year's CI with last year's? With an entire year gone by I kind of expected some fairly radical changes but the systems still seem pretty similar.

I guess my main question is, is the intel Core Due t2300 processor considerably better than the Pentium M?
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The Core Duo processor is two processor cores on one chip, so it is a substantial difference in performance. The other big one is the inclusion of a DVD burner, and the addition of a better CD/DVD burning package (Nero) as opposed to Easy CD Creator.. The graphics card is also an upgrade as well.

In recent years, the pace at which things have change in notebooks hasn't been as quick, so the changes from year to year are less dramatic. That's reflective of industry trends. Often times, you will find that the prices of the notebooks remain competitive with currently available models even 1 and sometimes 2 years out.

If you really wanted to add a DVD burner to your current machine, you should be able to order the part from Lenovo. The Ultrabay drives are user-swappable.
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